OPPO help requested - date this picture

"505Turbeaux" (505turbeaux) 09/05/2014 at 10:20 • Filed to: None

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This here is a picture of my family's bar in Brooklyn that was around till prohibition or slightly thereafter. It was either in the period that my great x3 grandfather owned it, or my great x2 gpa did. My father swears it was the ggg, but he died in 1905, and this looks later to me. I know some of you are fairly expert at stuff like this. If not take a guess and enjoy the pic. To keep it car related have a pic of my great grandpa on the other side. With some sort of car, dapper as hell. Thanks!

yamahog > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:22

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Are those electric lights? That could be a key factor.

EDIT: They should be, looks like Brooklyn's electric was consolidated by 1901.

505Turbeaux > yamahog 09/05/2014 at 10:23

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those sure look like gas to me the way they are suspended by the black piping

Nibbles > yamahog 09/05/2014 at 10:26

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They look to be gas. They may be converts, but if there's bulbs in those housings I don't see 'em.

KnowsAboutCars > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:27

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I don't know about that first picture but that car looks like Packard 626.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:28

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I looked around a bit and all I could find was this sign from Montebello Champagne similar to the one in the background dated at 1920. Here is the link

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:28

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Is it just me or would it be awesome if we still all dressed this classy?

I'm sitting here at work in a Michigan State t-shirt and jeans lol

yamahog > KnowsAboutCars 09/05/2014 at 10:29

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Dayum, great-grandpa505 was pretty fancy.

505Turbeaux > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif 09/05/2014 at 10:29

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funny enough I went after that sign first but it was somewhat inconclusive. Good to know I wasn't the only one thinking that

OPPOsaurus WRX > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:30

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The fixtures were the first thing I looked at. They do look like gas fixtures but it was very common to just snake wire through the pipes to make them electric.

505Turbeaux > KnowsAboutCars 09/05/2014 at 10:30

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wow yeah that must have been it. Baller as fu$k that guy was

The Gray Adder > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:30

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Yep. Gas lights. You'd see bulbs if they were electric. Still, I'm sure they still ran gas lighting well into the 20th century.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:30

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Tough to find anything on that company, but that sign looks darker than the one I linked but who knows how long it was there before the picture was taken.

ttyymmnn > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:31

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I have no idea, but you might email the photo to Vintage Everyday and ask them for help. I subscribe to their RSS feed, and they post old photos of all sorts, some with annotation, some without. But they certainly look at many of these photos, so they might spot some references that can help set a date.

505Turbeaux > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/05/2014 at 10:31

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lol same here. Beer t shirt, ripped jeans

505Turbeaux > The Gray Adder 09/05/2014 at 10:31

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very far into it. Electric would have given a baseline though

505Turbeaux > ttyymmnn 09/05/2014 at 10:32

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awesome, will do

505Turbeaux > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif 09/05/2014 at 10:32

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yeah for sure. Also looks like a wooden placard vs a poster.

tromoly > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:33

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That's what I was thinking at first, but some of the lights have the line coming in from the top, would that have an effect on gas delivery and/or a flame traveling up the pipe and exploding?

desertdog5051 > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:34

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Looks earlier than the 30's to me. What a picture. Very cool. By the way, I will take 2 of the hot roast beef sandwiches. Here's 2 bits, keep the change. (anybody know what 2 bits is?)

mr_gofast > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:34

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ill say 1915 +- 5 yrears

the montebello champage sign is from the 1900's

the roast beef sandwich price is about right for 1915 or so

the lights however above the bar are from the late 19th century

bar dated 1900 in SF

Party-vi > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:34

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Montebello is some expensive stuff nowadays. The sign in the back stating $0.05 roast beef sandwiches makes me think it's pre-1930s, as a sandwich usually cost about $0.15 in the '30s. That and the gas lights makes me think this is just before 1920 (when prohibition started).

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:35

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Montebello Champagne was founded in 1834 so it has to be after that at least, I know, not much help.

$kaycog > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:36

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I have no idea about the date, but back then you could buy Hot Roast Beef (I think it says sandwiches) for a nickel. What a beautiful bar.

mr_gofast > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif 09/05/2014 at 10:36

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same :)

mr_gofast > desertdog5051 09/05/2014 at 10:38

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a dime :0 2 nickels

yamahog > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/05/2014 at 10:38

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Psh, commoner! I'm wearing a UM polo and jeans . So classy.

JR1 > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:39

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So the sign says 5 cents for a hot roast beef sandwich. In 1913 adjusted for inflation 5 cents would be 1.20. Currently at Arby's a roast beef sandwich is $3.29. So I assume at the time period they would be selling at a similar price so I wouldn't be surprised if this picture is taken prior to 1900 when you look at inflation

505Turbeaux > tromoly 09/05/2014 at 10:39

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I think in the absence of air there would be no issue, but add some air...

mr_gofast > mr_gofast 09/05/2014 at 10:40

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did we all use the montebello as our primary reference?

JR1 > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:40

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Also the classic car is classy and I want it

505Turbeaux > JR1 09/05/2014 at 10:40

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good angle. Ill take 20 of them right now :)

The Gray Adder > desertdog5051 09/05/2014 at 10:40

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Two bits is a quarter.

505Turbeaux > $kaycog 09/05/2014 at 10:41

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I so wish we still had it!

JR1 > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:41

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Me too the research made me hungry for roast beef

$kaycog > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:43

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I'll drink to that!

505Turbeaux > $kaycog 09/05/2014 at 10:43

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hell, me too!!! (at 11am EST :) )

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:44

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Repaired nylon blend slacks, and a "The dice are trying to kill me" D&D t-shirt.

desertdog5051 > The Gray Adder 09/05/2014 at 10:45

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Very good. It is a bit of an archaic term. Glad I'm not the only one who knew that.

$kaycog > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:45

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8:45 am MDT for me.

505Turbeaux > JR1 09/05/2014 at 10:45

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and I bet that sammich was better than Arbys too

505Turbeaux > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/05/2014 at 10:45

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ha like a boss

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > yamahog 09/05/2014 at 10:45

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HAHA

At least we have this weekend to tell us which one of the teams in the STATE of Michigan is the one to watch.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:45

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If you click on the photo and download it you can get a lot better resolution and read more of the signs.

The small sign between Montebello and Roast Beef Sandwichs says "2 hard boiled eggs 5c"

desertdog5051 > mr_gofast 09/05/2014 at 10:46

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Ding, ding, ding. Another winner.

JR1 > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 10:47

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Upton Sinclair may disagree with you

mr_gofast > desertdog5051 09/05/2014 at 10:47

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i read way to much james bond novels - they are wirtten in the language of hte 30's . sounds like that :)

505Turbeaux > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif 09/05/2014 at 10:49

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goes good with that sammich!

desertdog5051 > mr_gofast 09/05/2014 at 10:50

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Actually, you needed to add another nickel.

mr_gofast > desertdog5051 09/05/2014 at 10:52

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oops

JEM > mr_gofast 09/05/2014 at 10:57

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Well, that and 5 cent sandwiches.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 11:24

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Actually found something that may help.

The small sign above the bartender fella' says "Pearl Wedding Rye" I think.

Googled it and found Ebay stuff for bottles in the 1890's that have Pearl Wedding Whiskey on them. Your next beset bet I think would be finding out what type of whiskey those bottles are on the right and trying to find out more about the companies.

Tohru > 505Turbeaux 09/05/2014 at 12:11

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It's not a bad looking picture, but it's not my type. Good luck with your matchmaking!